What is the role of politics here? How important is it? Now, I >> I think it's it's incredibly important. I I sort of came to this research, you know, my my background I political science, then I've moved to sort of more sort of sociological uh topics over the last like seven, eight years. And then in like 2022, uh I started looking at some Gallup data and noted that it was around 2016, there's just this massive divergence uh emerging between young men and women in terms of
their ideology. Young women becoming much more liberal than young men. And so we started doing more work around this area and we looked at like feminist identity and other things. And so we saw like across all these different measures, politics, culture that this persistent gap um was evident in all these different surveys. So like for instance, feminist identity um men and women are pretty close across generations, right? So for >> feminist identity, >> right? Do you are you a feminist? >> Right? So baby boomers um
I think is they're both around like the high 30s or low 40s, right? within five points. Similar Gen X millennials, they're higher. But again, gender gap is not really there. For Gen Z, it's like 15 points. Like majority of of Gen Z women are feminist. It's like 40% of Gen Z men. >> Hang on. So more Gen Z men than millennial men are >> about the same. But but the Gen Z women are much higher. >> Right. Well, I mean, this was the stat that I
saw. There was a famous graph that went around on the internet maybe 6 months to about a year ago that showed this sort of wobble over time, maybe over the last 50 years, something like that, of how right-wing versus leftwing men and women are. And it got real [ __ ] close a few times, like almost basically to par. And then it goes whoop whoop. And then there's now a 23 26 30 point difference. But it seems like, and you can tell me if I'm wrong,
it seems like women have become aggressively leftwing and men have stayed relatively flat. Yeah. Like what one of the big takeaways was that it's not that we're seeing young men moving far far to the right, uh, but that women become becoming far more liberal. And I talk about like attitudes on abortion changed, uh, dramatically for young women, especially in the wake of of Row being overturned. you used to have a lot more nuance around the issue. Uh the sort of morality of abortion um was a
much more complex question uh both among that that cohort of folks but also among in among elected Democrats too, right? You had a really different way of talking about the issue of abortion in the '90s >> than you did uh in the 2020s. >> And one of the things I think is happening is that you're seeing in in political leadership, right? So people uh leaders are are are making the gender divide worse by by simply you know seemingly advocating for one side over the other say
yeah like right that that there's a win-lose situation where like you cannot >> uh find common ground here. you cannot compromise that if if one side goes up, the other it goes down. And this has been kind of a hallmark of of democratic politics, which used to be so focused on class issues and economics as has shifted pretty dramatically to more talking about cultural issues. Um, but I'll give you an example of of the thing that I saw that um I think it has has sort
of exacerbated this is that uh I I noted that um I think it was like in 2023 or something like that, you know, looking at the Democratic parties uh web page, right? So the elect Democrats and you look at all the the who we represent tab, right? So the list of like 17 different groups like oh we you know um veterans and immigrants and we you know um Americans black people. Yeah. Yeah. Women and men are just conspicuously absent from this list, which seems crazy to
me like and it and it uh and I can only conclude that it's it's purposeful, right? That this is not a group that the party is advocating for. And then you have in Trump uh very clearly a guy who does not seem to, you know, have a lot of sympathy for the position of a lot of young women, right? To to put it kind of lightly. Um, and so they they they see in Trump, um, again, someone who has been unfaithful to every person he's been
married to, um, who's had sex with a porn star, uh, you know, all these alleged sexual assault accusations and and all that. And so you have this this situation where neither side feels that there's a place for them and and the other party. And so you had this really >> strong, who do you think they're going to vote for, >> right? Uh, and for for young men especially, there's a sense that, you know, even Republicans aren't really like they they for a while thought Trump was
their guy because he's not part of a broken political system. He's kind of existing side of it, right? And and if I don't trust, you know, >> the establishment, yeah, I can trust him. >> Uh, but when it comes to like the Republican party and the Democratic party, you have something like one in three young men or maybe close to four and 10 actually now saying that they don't trust either one. This is I think unfortunately one of the by byproducts of an overwhelm of information.
The goal of like pressure hosing you with conflicting points of view is not to convince you of any one particular perspective. It's to make you completely nihilistic and throw your hands up and say I don't I don't [ __ ] know. because that is the most pliable that you're ever going to be eventually that you get to the point where it's like someone come along and tell me. And this is why certainty is used as a proxy for expertise if you ardently say a thing as
opposed to oh there's a bit of inongruence there or he caveat it somewhat or whatever. And this is just like once you see this formula >> it's impossible to unsee. Look people are confused and uncertain about what's going to happen. someone comes along that sounds certain, >> right? >> I'll go after them. That he he they he she has got the answer. [ __ ] brilliant for that. But I mean the I understand exactly what you mean. Like who were they obviously going to vote for?
The thing that's kind of mad about the Trump versus Dems situation is Trump was the candidate and there was no way that the Republicans were going to choose anybody else. So they were stuck with him. So if young women, many women, uh, minorities, whatever, didn't feel seen or welcome in what was going to be for the final term Trump's party, that nothing could have changed there, >> right? >> The Democratic lack of focus on men just feels like an elected own goal. >> That's the term
I was just going to use. Yeah, it's it's >> that you did this to yourself. You didn't have some candidate like Camala Harris or Joe Biden or whoever the [ __ ] was going to run. didn't you? They weren't so toxic as to not be. Yeah, sure. Would some cohorts of men have found it a little bit more difficult to follow a black woman? Yeah, maybe. Whatever. But like not to the same extent that women would have found it difficult to follow Donald Trump. Yeah. So
the fact that they weren't serviced on the list of 17 groups that we are here to support, it's like I mean who's left like who you have worked you I mean at a time too when like workingclass people are really struggling working-class men have have suffered I think even more than working-class women in the last few years. um as the the job growth has gone you know in the service sector and healthcare gone to predominantly uh you know women over men in in um in those
communities. And so like yeah, like it should be it should be easy if you're if you're sort of raised on detra, right? Like your reason for existence is to advocate for marginalized people, people who are struggling, >> but not those ones. >> Working class people seems like, you know, which cuts across race, class, religion, right? That's the other thing is it's it's a kind of unifying uh group that that you know, you can sort of please everybody. Um and it's it's it's perplexing to me that
that this has not been taken up um by the Democrats who could probably do it fairly easily. Um >> why do you think they want this case? >> So one of the things things that has happened over the last 20 years is the composition of the Democratic party has just changed dramatically. Right. So Democrats have have at least over the last 20 years been more women than men. So self-identified Democrats are like 60% women, 40% men. That's been true. folks have noted that the party's become
more educated. So, college graduates shifted from roughly e evenly distributed between Republicans and Democrats to moving uh more towards Democrats. But the one of the reasons I think things have changed is it's college educated women that have have sort of swollen the ranks of the Democratic party. One in three Democrats is a college educated woman and their views on policy are very very different than a lot of other groups >> when it comes to abortion, reproductive health, uh climate change, uh trans issues. >> Um again,
just >> you don't have as big of a diversity of viewpoints inside of the Democratic party as you would have done in the past, >> right? And then like it's also then who's running the campaigns, who is staffing. Again, it's disproportionately um in the Democratic party and a lot of those uh really important roles are college educated women. A quick note, lots of people tell us that YouTube unsubscribes them from the channel even though they already pressed it. So, just check down there and see if
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