In 52 days, everything could change. >> Today on the Mel Robbins [music] podcast, the one, the only Dr. Eric Thomas, >> you have [music] more control than you think you have. >> For somebody who's feeling exhausted, [music] discouraged, they just want the year to be over, what do you want to say to that person? >> You are the greatest common denominator. Life is not about proving they're wrong. Life is about making things right for you. I'm daring somebody today to let the best version of you
take over. 52 days. Isn't that exciting? Let's go. [music] >> Dr. Eric Thomas, welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. >> Thank you for having me, Mel. How you feeling? >> I feel fantastic because you're here. >> Thank you. And I feel the same way because you're over there and I'm here. So, [laughter] thank you. Something magical is going to happen. >> Magical. Um, you know, you say that you can change your life in 52 days. >> When this conversation airs, there will be 52 days left
this year. >> I would love to have you explain to the person who is listening right now how much could change about their life in 52 days. >> Everything could change in 52 days. Everything could change. And more importantly, everything you want to change can change in 52 days. You can end this year better than you've ever ended a year. And you could start the new year better than you started any year. It's up to you. You have the power. You literally have control. I'm telling
you, everything you want, everything you want to be, everything you want to do can happen in 52 days. So, do me a huge favor. You got to finish strong. All right. So, we got 52 days to make the rest of our lives the best of our lives. 52 days. ISN'T THAT EXCITING? LET'S GO. I think it's really exciting because even if you're listening to this, you know, in the future, you can take on, you're going to teach us how to do this, a 52day challenge. Now,
tell me the origin of 52 days for you. >> This was a tough year for a lot of people. >> Yeah. >> This was a tough year. You know, this wasn't one of those years where, you know, people just felt that they were their best self. They didn't feel, you know, their community, the gas prices, the groceries. Like, this was just a tough year. And you got to understand I'm in Michigan. So Michigan is like blue collar, you know? It this is blue collar. It's like
people rely on um the industry. It just was a tough year. People weren't where they were used to being. I said to myself, okay, you you got to help them, you know? You got you you got to give them hope, right? Because when people start to lose hope and people start to lose faith, they become an uglier version of themselves and they start behaving in a way that's just not healthy and they can't get to their expected outcomes. And so I was just sitting there and
I was just praying. I was like, "Okay, okay, what story can I tell?" And I remember my boy Linton, he ran a prayer group. And in the prayer group, he talked about Nehemiah and how in that particular time of that region there, the wall was torn down for like a hundred and something years, 140 years. And they rebuilt it in 52 days. And I was like, yo, I need that story right now because people have been going through it 365 days or however many days they've
been going through it. And I was like, yo, what can I say? And you know what was so crazy? This is the first time. And people said to me, "Eric, you have never done anything before where you made it easy for us. Like, you've never done that." That they was like, "This isn't you. Like, you're the grind. You're the get up. Don't sleep guy. This is the very first time you ever told us >> we're I'm not asking you to get to a place you've never
been. I'm just asking you to get back to your best self." >> Like, whatever that was in 1990, 2001, 2003. like I just want you to get back to the time where you woke up and you were excited about life that you were excited about your family, excited about your your opportunity. And so I was like, let's just get back to that and and let's let's do it in 52 days. Let's not try to do it in 7 days. Let's not try to do it in
14 days. Let's do it. Let's do it in 52 days. Take our time. Whatever you can do, just do that. And when I started telling people to do it and I started to see people light up and I started a hope coming back and a joy coming back, I was like, that's it. Don't focus on the 140 years where the wall's been down. Let's focus one day at a time that by the end of these 52 days, less than two months, we can feel good again.
And then once we feel good, then we can go after once there's hope, then we go. But let's not try to tackle everything one time. Let's just get our hope back. Let's get our dream back. Let's get clarity back. Let's get a sense of direction back. Well, you know, I'm so excited to talk to you because you are one of the most inspiring and empowering. You are like human rocket fuel >> and it's infectious. >> And when I thought about when this episode was going to
release, >> I looked at the calendar and I was like, "Wow, when we're dropping this episode, there's 52 days left in the year." >> Wow. And so our amazing producer Amy who is working on this episode. Yeah. Amazing Amy called you and said, "Okay, I want to get you in the mindset, Dr. Thomas, >> that there's going to be 52 days left in the year when this episode goes live." And you're like, "Wait a minute. 52. Are you kidding me with the 52?" But 52 has
a personal meaning for you. So explain why 52 matters. >> Well, first of all, 52 matters because I just did it. >> What do you mean you just did it? I just went through a 52day personal challenge. Now, I'll be honest. I did a 52-day challenge with everybody in my ecosystem. But before >> I asked them to do 52, I did 52. And I did 52 because I looked at my life and I said, "Of the five pillars, four of them you're dominating, but one you
suck in, one you you you've lost, one is embarrassing." And so I said, "E, you got to take the principles from the other four and you got to bring that you got to bring that fifth one up." And so for 52 days, mine was health. Now, we'll talk about weight, but it really wasn't about losing 30 lbs. It was about pre-diabetes. It was about prehypertension. It was about mild sleep apnea. It was like, e, where how could this happen to you? How did you get here?
here. I woke up one day, Melon's like ET like how did you get here? You wouldn't think Eric come on the hip-hop preacher. And so it was an area where I was failing, where I was losing and I shouldn't be losing. And I was like, you got to do something about it. And I decided before I brought the community in, I decided that Eric, you need to do it first to see if it really works. So, let's go right to what happened because you and your
wife Dee had something to do with this, but I want you to share for the person listening kind of that moment where you're like, "Oh my god, like this weight's embarrassing." >> I started with a goal that I was going to lose 20 something pounds and I was going to get well, it was about 2530 and I was like, "I got to get back to that like 215." And it was funny. I was the book uh Greatness is Upon You that I I wrote. I looked
at the book and I looked at that guy and I was like, I like the weight that that guy I like the size of that guy. But I hadn't been him in four or five years and I just kept saying to myself, he's you're never going to get back to that. You're never going to get back to that. And one day I woke up this year and I said, you know what? You owe it to yourself to get back. And here's the cool thing about the
52 days. I wasn't trying to do something that I had never done before. I was just trying to get back to the best that I've ever been before. that that and and that was different for me because before it was like you know you work hard and grind and I was like no e don't do that just get back to the best version you've ever been and that's like 215 pounds and so I made a commitment to myself in 52 days I'm going to make the
sacrifice I'm going to make the commit and I'm going to get back to that guy and I remember the first 10 days u my boy is like get on the scale I said I'm not he said get on the scale I said no he said why would you get on the scale I said, "Cuz I don't want to see if it's working or not. I I because if I get on the scale and I'm not where I want to be, I'm I'm going to stop. I'm
going to be discouraged. I'm going to quit." He said, "No, get on the scale." And I got on the scale and I had only lost three lbs in like 10 days, 14 days. And it was like, "No, no, no, no, no. E, you can do it, but whatever you're doing is not working." And I'm telling you, I changed my diet. I changed my mindset. I got on the treadmill. I was doing resistance. I was in the sauna. and in 52 days. And it was so funny,
man. I remember the the the uh the suit that I wore when me and DD did our 21st year uh vow renewal. And I put it on, couldn't fit it, couldn't put it on, couldn't fit. Every day I put on and then one day I could button it and then one day I could button it with a shirt on and then one day it fit and then one day it had room. So I'm saying in 52 days if you make the commitment, you can change. And
so for me, it wasn't about anything but getting back to my best self. So I did it. I lost the weight. I put the clothes back on. I started grabbing outfits that I couldn't wear in three or four years. And it just felt so good to make a commitment to myself and keep it. I've done it before. I've made a promise to myself before that I didn't keep. This was the first time that I made the promise and I kept the promise. I don't know if
it was the weight or if it was the promise I kept to myself, but in 52 days, I got back in that large when you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe shirt. And it felt phenomenal. And let me tell you what was the most exciting thing, rewarding thing about the 52 days. My mother called me every day and was like, "Son, I'm doing the 52-day challenge." And my mother was having this like overthinking thing. You know, my mother was in a funk.
You know, my mother wasn't like her best self. like the mother that I knew growing up working at Ford and you know doing her thing and and my mom called me and was like son I got it son she like had an aha moment and so for me it was like yo I changed in the 52 days but my mom like my mom knows me inside and out like it's nothing I can say to my mom that's going to be like oh that's inspirational oh that's
I've never heard you say that before but the 52 days she says son you gave me a north star like I I for whatever reason I retired and I didn't have a north star I I I wasn't waking up with a sense of purpose I I didn't I My mom said I lost my identity and these 52 days gave me something to wake up for, something to go get, something to go to bed at night for. And not only can we end strong, we can actually
start 2027 in a way that we've never started a year before. >> That's so true. And there are seven >> 52 day blocks in a year. >> Now, stop and think about how crazy that is because there's seven days in a week. >> There's 52 weeks in a year. >> Yes. And there's seven of those blocks in the year. So no matter when you're hearing this, >> there is an opportunity for you to experience a whole different version of you >> in a matter of 52
days. >> Yeah. And so I'm giving you something that I physically did that my mother did. And I know if you do the 52 days, you're going to end this year off feeling so good about yourself. And when you feel good ending a year, you're gonna go into the next year in a way you've never gone into a year before. >> We are gonna unpack. Yeah. Specifically how to set up the 52 days >> for sure. But where I really want to hover for just a
minute with you because you said something that struck me. So for the person that's feeling overwhelmed and exhausted because how could you not with the state of the world? How could you not with the what's going on in your neighborhood? How could you not given that you probably have a family member that's struggling? You might be struggling financially or maybe you're just worried about things. There's so much out of people's control. For somebody who's feeling exhausted, discouraged, they just want the year to be over. >>
What do you want to say to that person about how they're going to feel by the time we end this conversation? >> You know, I I want to say to them, you have more control than you think you have. And here here's okay so Mel here's the crazy part about the 52. The crazy part about the 52 is for the first time in my life I saw while you've lost control in this area. >> Okay. >> There are other areas you have control in. Borrow from
the areas that you are in control. There were areas in my life that I had not lost control and I needed to borrow >> from the strategies and the techniques and the skills I was using in areas that was working and bring it over. I'm going to tell you one thing male that that changed everything for me in terms of like you said it wasn't about health. It was how did I lose control when I was in my 20s? I I wasn't going to the doctor
and they were saying that in my 30s. This is new to me. I've never been to the doctor before and the doctor told me that, you know, I I had high blood pressure and that I could stroke out. Like, I'd never heard I'd never heard that language before. And so, at first it was overwhelming until I said to myself, from a speaking standpoint, Eric, you have control. You're traveling the world. You I was outside the hotel and people were driving around stopping. ET, what are you
doing on the streets? I said, I'm here to see mail. [laughter] How about I GOT A PODCAST? AND SO, but what I realized was in my health, I was not intentional and deliberate. >> I did not have DD's on my schedule. I know exactly what time Dee and I are going to meet every day. I know for how long we're going to meet. I know how to get an A from DD. I know what a B is. I know what failing is like. Like I I
I know. But in my health, I never had working out on the schedule. I never had what are you eating? I never measured what I would eat when I I it didn't m I so so so for me it was no this is going to be easy borrow from an area where you're already great where you're already conquering and just bring those same skill sets into a place where you've lost control and when I start scheduling when I stop compromising when I stop negotiating I said
look you going to work out every single day it's not a it's not it's not optional like you're going to get up and you're going to get up at 3:00 4:00 in the morning and you're going to go get on the treadmill and you're going to do resistance That sounds terrible. >> And and you're going to sit in the sauna like you're going to do that and it's non it's non-negotiable. The same way you watch football every Sunday, the same way you sit down and watch
Monday Night Football, you're going to take your health and you're going to put it in a category and and you're going to watch it and you're going to measure it and then you're going to call your best friends and you're going to tell them, "Hey, I'm working out today at this time. Call me to see if I really worked out. I'm gonna send you pictures. And once I once I started doing it, I got control back. And no, it wasn't visible until maybe the 48th day.
But I got control back, male, as soon as I said this is what I'm going to do. I'm not taking no for an answer. And I'm going to conquer in this way. And I'm so excited because I use the same skills that I was using to win over here. I put them where I was losing. And guess what? 52 days later, I start winning again. Well, and you can use the skills of getting your kids to daycare on time. >> Absolutely. >> In order to be
on time for yourself. You can, you know, use the skills of taking care of everybody else to start learning how to take care of yourself. >> And we were going to get to that, but because the person who's listening may not know the gift, >> yes, >> that is Dr. Eric Thomas. >> Yes. When you talk about the fact that you can change your life with a decision, that you can change who you are, you really mean it. >> And one of the reasons why you
mean it is because you yourself have been homeless. You yourself have been discouraged. You yourself have been in a place in life where there's every reason in the world to either quit or to say, "I've screwed this up so much there's no turning back." up. >> Can you put us at the moment that changed your life? >> So, I'm going sound like a weirdo when I say homelessness [snorts] was the best thing that ever happened to me. >> What do you mean by that? >> What
I mean by that is before homeless, everybody else was the reason why my life was messed up. Like I had mom like mom was like number one. It's like, "Ma, I can't read. I can't write. Mom, uh um you know, I'm getting in trouble with the law. Mom, everything that's going wrong in my life is because you got pregnant as a teenager. Everything. Number two was my biological father. I had him right under mom. He probably was number one, but because he wasn't around, I didn't
get to blame him as much. But I got to just mom throw darts at mom. Make every excuse, everything that ever gone wrong. Mom, mom, mom, dad, dad, dad. And and and male, this is crazy. I was probably 16, maybe. I could have been 17 cuz I was working at McDonald's on Fin in Wyoming in Detroit. And uh we got pulled over by the police. It was probably about four or five o'clock in the morning. My boy had stolen well I don't know if you want
to call it steal, but he was into some activities where the person didn't pay and so he kept their vehicle and so I'm in the car with him and um we got pulled over by the police. I tried to explain to the police I had nothing to do with any of this, nothing to do with the stuff in the car, nothing to do with the stolen car. Like I got on a McDonald outfit. What do you He didn't believe me. So, we went to jail and
it was in jail. I was by myself and it hit me, male, your mom's not in prison or in jail. Your dad's not in jail. Your mom's somewhere going to work. Your dad's somewhere in Chicago going to work. You're you're homeless and you're in jail. And that was the day I realized my mom doesn't know the police officer who pulled me over. The police officer doesn't know my counselor who kicked me out of school. The counselor doesn't know my I could go. And I was like,
"Eric, who's the common denominator?" And I said, "Eric Thomas is." And so that was the first time I was by myself. And I couldn't point at my mom. And I couldn't point at my dad. And I couldn't point at where I was born. And I couldn't point. And it was like, Eric, you know, everybody in the story, but everybody in the story doesn't know each other. Like you are the greatest common denominator. And it was at that point that I realized where your focus goes, your
energy flows. Your focus has been on your mom. That's why your life hasn't changed. Your focus has been on your dad. That's why your life hasn't changed. Eric, your focus now needs to be on you. What are your strengths and what are your limitations and how do you fix them? Because again, man, you can easily say, "I'm homeless because of this." You could say every reason why you're in the state you're in. It's not going to get you out of the state. And I was like,
Eric, I don't want to be homeless for the rest of my life. I don't want to be 30 homeless. I don't want to be 30 broke. I don't want to be 30 in this environment where somebody's putting me in like you know what it feels like to somebody put handcuffs on you. You know what it's like for somebody to put you in the back of a car. You know what it's like to put somebody put you in jail and you got to eat the food and
there's a toilet in the middle. This is the first time in my life I was like what did you do? How did you get yourself in this mess? And I heard something say the same guy that got you in it can get you out of it. He's the same dude. You're okay. Don't It's Don't be alarmed. Don't Don't fear. the guy that got you in this. If his focus changes from mom, dad to teacher, the school system, if his focus changes to Eric Thomas, you can
get yourself out of this. And that was the day that I said there's nothing I can do about where I am, but if they let me go, and I don't know what happened, but my boy said he had nothing to do with the car. He had nothing to do with the substance in here. I just picked him up from and they let me go. And I love my mom cuz they called my mom and my mom said, "I'm I'm definitely not bailing him out. I don't
go to work every day to bail him out of jail. He's not he shouldn't even be in a situation. He comes from a good home. He shouldn't even be in it. I I don't know what he's going to do, but he's going to have to figure it out." And they let me go two and a half, three days later. And I walked out of there with no cab fair, no bus fair, but I walked out that day and I said, "Eric, you owe you. you owe
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protecting what matters most. Visit addt.com and call 1800 ADT ASAP to get started today. When every second counts, count on ADT. >> So, let's unpack the blaming thing. So, where your focus goes, your energy flows. And a lot of people are spending a lot of time blaming, >> blaming the government, blaming the their past, blaming this, blaming that. And look, there's lots of moments in life where someone else or something else is to blame and it's not fair. And your point when you say you owe
you >> is what? >> So So and and I'm just saying this cuz I know somebody's listening. You're like, "Eric, you don't know." And I don't. You're like, "You don't know what they did to me." And I don't. I know what they did to me. But here's the deal. if they were intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy me, I'm not going to give them fuel. So, like, if that was their whole point, like, we're gonna destroy you. Like, we're going to make sure you're not happy.
We're going to make sure you're not successful. If that's what they were attempting to do, I'm not going to aid you in that. So, you're absolutely right. There are certain things that happened to me that should not have happened to me. But at the end of the day, I've got to do what I need to do to make sure the story doesn't end with me going to jail. The story doesn't end with me being a high school dropout. Yes, you're right. They were wrong. But life
is not about proving they're wrong. Life is about making things right for you. And so, I could go on and on about who was wrong and how I got in the predicament again and whose fault it was. But at the end of the day, I want to hold a power. I want to control my own life. And by making better decisions, I went from GED to PhD, from homeless to to owning real estate. And so I'm saying to everybody that's out there, you're right. Which side
do you want to look at? Do you want to look at the side that they were wrong? And guess what? You would be totally right to say they were wrong. You have every right to say what they did to you're right. I'm just saying you're giving them the control when you do that. And I want the power. I want the control. I made up in my mind that is not going to be my reality. So do me a favor. You're right. You could talk about everything
they did wrong or you could look at your strengths and you could look at your opportunities and you could put all your energy in that and you can sit somewhere different 52 days from now, 52 weeks from now, 52 years from now, you could be in a better state. So for me, absolutely. They're wrong, but I'm not going to focus on their wrong. I'm going to focus on my right. >> Well, you said something I want to make sure we take a giant highlighter. >> Yeah.
because you said even if somebody is treating you wrong, >> yeah, >> I am not going to aid you in that. >> Not going to aid you. >> And it sent just a chill down my spine because I think about how much time I wasted being all upset and spending lots of time, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Talking about how they wronged me and this, that, and the other. And when you do that, you are aiding them in the power that they have over you. And
when you instead just start where you are and you say, "You owe you. From this point forward, I can take responsibility and make a decision that where I'm at right now does not define where I'm going." When when you're in a moment in your life where there's so much out of your control, what can you actually control? And where do you want the person who feels out of control right now to focus? >> Yeah, I say perspective and decisions. I feel like those two. So, so
I'm going to be honest before I made the change male to be to be totally transparent. I didn't want to do the work. [laughter] I'm guys, I I owe my mother such an apology and you know, we talked. My mom said to me, um, this this was probably last year. We You know, you know how it is, man. you you open up and you start, you know, you do this therapy and just stuff comes out. My mom was like, "Yo, I was so hurt >> how
how you frame me >> like the picture that you painted of me with everybody." And you know what? I did not want opportunities. I wanted attention. >> I wanted an audience. >> I didn't want opportunities. I wanted >> I I I didn't want to change. I didn't want better. I just wanted an audience. I just I just wanted a group of people to understand how much she hurt me. I don't even know if she hurt me the way I thought she hurt me. That's why I
say you got to change your perspective. But I felt like she hurt me by not telling me who my biological father was. And I just wanted everybody to be on my side. I didn't want to change. I didn't want to grow. I just wanted everybody to say she was wrong and you're right. And as long as I was in that mental state, as long as that was my aim, that was my focus. Again, where your focus goes, your energy flows. So my focus was she wronged
me. My biological father, he wronged me. So nothing changed in my life. Nothing happened for me. No, actually it did. I got what I wanted. I got attention. I didn't want growth. I didn't want change. I didn't want to be better. I just wanted to say she did it. He did it. And if she didn't do it and he didn't do it, I wouldn't be where I am. And then when I was in in in in jail and then homeless, homeless was beautiful cuz homeless I
got to spend time alone. Here's the beautiful thing about homeless. I couldn't say it was my mother's fault anymore. Like, I finally had my life in my hands and I kept messing up. I had my I got I got fired from McDonald's. It was the best job I ever had in my life. Now, listen to me. McDonald's was great because I worked from 5:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. So, I didn't have to have a hotel. I didn't have to have a place to stay. I was
one of the best there. It was more than a job. It It was the to stay off the streets to say, "I lost my job." telling an elderly lady, "I'll spin your food." My manager said to me, "Eric, you're the best that I have." I wouldn't I would let it go. I would just tell you, "Don't ever do that again." But the owner told me I had to. And when I when he I gave him my ribbon and I turned in all my stuff and I
walked away and I said, "Your mom didn't do this. Your biological father didn't tell nobody was going to spit their food. You said you was going to spit their food. You lost your job because of your mouth. you lost your job because you're hurt and you're taking that hurt everywhere you go and it doesn't matter if you go to college, it doesn't matter if you get another job. That hurt shows up everywhere you go and it destroys everything you do. And that hurt is not your
mother's hurt. It's not your f that's your hurt. And so forget the audience. Forget if everybody claps and if everybody affirms you. So first of all, why you want to be affirmed? Cuz my biological father wasn't in my life. Okay, deal with that. Say it out loud. Talk to your therapy. Your mom got you a therapist. You don't even want to talk to the therapist. Open your mouth and tell the therapist, "I'm hurt. It it it it it it pains me to see other kids at
sporting events with their fathers. It hurts me to go to parent teacher conference and they have their biological father." It hurts to see the Ola Mills pictures of three generations and you don't have pictures with your biological father. You don't know who your grandfather. Just say it hurts. But stop walking around masquerade like you're this tough guy. You're not fighting because you're tough. You're fighting because you're hurt. You're not hard because you you're hard. You're not hard. You're hurt. And so I had to say, Eric,
this has nothing to do with your mom. This pain has nothing to do with your dad. This is you. And you owe you to fix it. To be honest and transparent and fix it. And so 1,000% male, that that was the thing that that I would say to somebody who's sitting here. You have control. Everything that is ailing you, you can deal with it. You could be transparent, you can get help, or you can continue to blame. But I'm telling you, I blamed and it didn't
bring me to it. I didn't attract the male Robbins in the world when I attracted the police officers and other people who weren't who didn't have a north star who had no clarity who were hurt. >> You're right. If you're focused on all the excuses, if you're focused on all the reasons, if you're focused on all the hurt in the past, if you're focused on the people that did you wrong, >> Yeah. >> you literally attract more of that. Absolutely. >> When you focus on making
a decision to change yourself because that's the only thing you can control. Now your energy is moving in a forward positive direction and it starts to build. Was there a moment when you remember making a decision like this is the turning point. This is I am changing. >> Yeah. I I I remember it has nothing to do with church but it has everything to do with an individual at church or individuals and I was fortunate enough to at that time um be in the proximity of
DD who's now was my girlfriend became my wife and there were others there who were going to college and Dee pulled me to the side that's why proximity is so important >> and I remember Dee saying hey I'm going to college. I would love to have you go with me, but if you don't, I'm leaving and I'm never coming back. And so, it was the one positive place or thing in my life. And I said, Eric, you've messed everything up. You can't mess this up. Like,
you have one good thing going for you. And so, for me, it was just a moment of Eric, this is the defining moment. You can keep going down the path you're going or you can take the help. And often times male the first greatest decision we can make is to say help. It's not us doing anything. And that's why people get overwhelmed because they feel like the change that needs to be made. I have to make it. M I didn't get here because I made all
the right decisions and make I was with people who made good decisions. I was with people who had hope, who had clarity, who said, "Let us help you." And that was the first decision I made. I said, "Pastor, you know what? You've been talking about GED. You've been talking about night school. How do I sign up? Dee, you've been talking about me going to college and following you. I'm about to go to night school. Uh Bob, you've been talking about getting in this youth program and
coming here regularly. You know what? I'm going to take advantage of these three great opportunities. And those three turned into six, and those six turned into 12, and those 12 turned into 24. And then one day I woke up, I was on the Mel Robbins podcast. [laughter] >> Come on, y'all. Come on. Well, you know what I love about you is first of all, you're very lovable. Second, you are extremely smart. Third, you have just a gift >> with words. >> And because you've lived it,
>> yes, >> this is not something you've read in a book and you're just like spitting it back. This is the lessons and the truths that you have learned the hard way. And what's interesting is that you know how much work it takes. Yes. >> And it's kind of surprising when you make a decision that you want your life to feel better, how when you're finally ready for that to happen, it happens pretty quickly. You know, you [clears throat] say excuses soften the pain. >> Yeah.
>> What does that mean? Excuses just make you feel so good. But here's the challenge. You still got to get up the next day with the consequences. >> You still got to get up the next day knowing that you blew it. You know, you still got to get up the next day knowing that nothing changes for you. And so that's when I started realizing while excuses may feel good, they don't help. And and male, I want people to hear me. You got to hear this. The
greatest error I've ever made in my life is me deciding to take the hand that was dealt to me and come up with all the negativity in the hand. I never saw the big joker that was there. I have a gift. I've God gave me a gift. Like I've been speaking before I even knew what I had. I had it. I' I've always been a people person. I've always loved on people and took care of people. I've always been that person. I'm the oldest in my
family. I've always took taken care of my sister. I've already taken care of on the block, but I always looked at what I didn't have. And the day I started looking at that same hand, but seeing what I had and started playing what I had, my whole life changed. I'm sorry, Mel. I had the same mother, the same father. I didn't grow any taller as you could see. There was a lot like nothing like happened, but I changed what I was looking at and where my
focus went. My energy started to go in there. Next thing I know, I'm with Dee. I got my GED. I'm with Dee in college. I marry after our freshman year. We have a beautiful family. I start speaking. I become known in the city. I leave, go back to Michigan, get a masters, a PhD. I [laughter] I become ET the hip-hop preacher. I Everything changed when one thing changed. I looked at my hand different than I looked at it before. >> Oh, so insanely powerful and true.
Because if all you do is complain about the hand you've been dealt, >> Yeah. >> you will lose. >> You will lose. >> You will lose. >> But you can win with any hand. >> It's all how you play it. [laughter] >> It's how you play it, man. >> It's how you play it. >> If you ever play cards, >> you if you're from Michigan, you play a lot [laughter] of cards. >> Yes. And so that is a huge takeaway. I want you to grab that
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I knew you would convince us that you can change and I want you to coach me and the person who is listening, who is saying to themselves, all right, Dr. Thomas, you convince me. I do not want to stay where I am. I do not want to be this version of myself. There are things about my life I've been making excuses around whether it's the job or the weight or the relationship or whatever it may be. What do we how do we apply this 52day thing?
Like how do you how do you like pick something that you're going to shift for the positive and actually stick to it? >> So I I would say this first. I would just say whatever you pick, we're going to walk through it. >> Oh, walk me through it. Yes. But but I I do want you to pick something that you're going to get the greatest return on your investment. >> So I don't want you to pick something that you know it's going to change but it's
not going to do a lot for you. >> So So me changing high blood pressure that's that's a great return on investment. Me losing 25 pounds great return on investment. Um not snoring and so Dee can get some sleep at night right? Um not eating after 6 anymore. where I was doing some intermittent fasting and that was helping the body, right? So, blood pressure down, diet, everything is going to be down. So, I want you to pick something that you can get a return on your
investment. But here's the first step I want you to take and and nobody this listen to me. Don't ask anybody because when you start getting people's opinions, it don't do that. Don't ask anybody for permission. You don't need permission. But let me tell you what the first thing I did. I took a picture of where I wanted to be and I put it up. It's the first thing I want you to do. And do me a huge favor. I did not pick, you know, that picture,
the Michael B. Jordan in Creed 3. [laughter] Shout out to my boy Michael B. Jordan. I did not pick that picture and put that picture on the wall. I That's not I I just wanted a better uh dad bod. I literally picked the picture that I felt when I spoke in that season was the best version of Eric Thomas at that time. I didn't pick anything that would be overwhelming, that's out of reach. I didn't want to start in a deficit. Don't do that. Don't put
$6 million. Don't Don't do that. Put I don't want to be in debt. 52 days later, I want my credit score to go from $559 to 600, whatever. First thing I want you to do, where your focus goes, your energy flows. Most of you need a northstar. You just need some clarity in your life. You just need something to go to bed to wake up to. And so for me it was like, Eric, this is actually embarrassing to be 242 is actually embarrassing. Like come on,
Eric. To to to be the number one motivational speaker in the world. You know what I'm saying? To write a New York Times bestseller, to be in a blissful marriage, to do Eric, this does not even reflect you. This is embarrassing. Like the one area in your life. So I would just say to you, pick that area where it's like you know better than this. It's not bringing you a return. It's it doesn't make you look good. It's not attractive on you. It doesn't feel good.
And I'm telling you, putting the shirt on and there would be times I would do a video and I was like, "Do me a favor. Don't I wouldn't tell them, but I wanted to tell them don't get a side angle like the gut." You know what I'm saying? Don't just keep straight in front. Like, we just want to say I'm only wearing black all black shirts, right? And I got to a point was like, "Eric, it's embarrassing at this point." So, I'm saying to you, "Yes,
you know, but I just want you to turn that camera. Just do me a favor. Take the camera, flip it, turn it on you, look at you in the mirror and say, "This is embarrassing. I I should be doing better. I know better." This has nothing to do with the the reward on the other side. Let's just start with this. Not even me. This is not like I don't even know how I got I don't know how I got Well, I do know how I got
to 242, but you know what I mean. Like, I don't know how I got to 242. Like, I don't even feel com like I don't like wearing double X. I'm not 66. I shouldn't be wearing a double X shirt, right? And so, that's what I would say to you. Look at an area in your life where you're like, I know this is not reflective of me. >> I know this is not who I am. I know this is not the best of me. Turn that camera
on that person and look at that person and say, "I'm firing you. You're no longer needed. You're no longer healthy. You're no longer productive. You're no longer needed in my life. You are a menace to where I'm trying to go. No more pink slips. You're out of here." So that's what I would say. And then do me a favor. Let's just take don't even do 24 hours at a time. Don't do that. That's overwhelming. I don't work out 24 hours. I said, "Eric, do me a
favor." When I first started, I said, "Bro, give me 30 minutes. If you can give me 30 minutes on a treadmill at two speed, two incline, three incline. Just give me 15 minutes. Just do enough for your body." It's like, "Okay, I like this." And put your body in a situation where it's muscle memory that the first week you do it every day. you do something light that the second week the body is like, "Are we doing that again?" So, just do me a favor. Put
the picture up. I want the picture in your bathroom. I want the picture in your living room. I want the picture on your car. If you if you have a ceiling that you can get to, put the picture on your ceiling so when you go to sleep at night and wake up, you see it. Like, I want a picture of what you want to be everywhere. I want you to see it everywhere you go. And then, do me a favor. Every day, we're just going to
do a little bit, not too much. And then we're gonna keep adding to that to 52 days later you gonna look up and go, did I do that? Did I become that? >> You really believe you can change in 52 days? >> I really do believe you can change your mindset. And once you change your mindset, the results may not all come in 52 days, but the mindset will come in 52 days. And the results always follow the mindset. >> Here's one other thing that struck
me as you were talking. When you have the courage to admit that you're embarrassed, you're embarrassed by how you're showing up at work, you're embarrassed by how you're eating, you're embarrassed by how you've let your health go, you're embarrassed. I I'll give you the one that I have. I have been so overwhelmed that I feel at times like my stress and feeling frustrated. It feels very similar right now to how I used to feel when I was a young mom. And it is embarrassing to me
that my work stress has gotten to me the way that it has. And I can say that because I don't like that. And when you can admit to yourself that there are parts of you, whether it's your jealousy or maybe your spending is embarrassing. Maybe it's embarrassing that you work really hard and you spend all your money buying stuff or leasing a car cuz you want people to think a certain thing about you, but you're embarrassed that you don't have any savings cuz you're so busy
spending it all to prove something to people you don't even care about. When you can admit that, I want you to understand something powerful. The new version of you, the true version of you actually showed up. That version of you is already in there. That's why you're embarrassed. And now it's about taking on this 52-day challenge of acting like the new version of you, even if it's just for 30 minutes a day. >> Yeah. You >> Yeah. I started a transcendental meditation practice because I had
to look into what do I need to learn as a skill >> to help me manage the very real stress of building a company like this? Cuz I don't want to take it out of my family. It's embarrassing. I don't want to be upset about stupid things. It's embarrassing. >> Yeah. You you said something powerful. >> I didn't add that as a part of the steps. >> Yeah. >> But maybe that that maybe that embarrassing inventory is kind of where you start before you even get
the picture. It's like let's do an embarrassing inventory and let's audit all the areas where either I'm embarrassed or I should be [laughter] embarrassed cuz maybe maybe like maybe some of the areas you you you're not taking ownership that you actually should be embarrassed. >> It's that simple. Can you give another simple example of a 52day get it done plan? Like what are some of the daily non-negotiables for you? Like how you're coaching people through this? >> So number one, schedule it. >> Okay. Like it
for real, if it's not if you don't write it down and you don't give it a time, it's just not going to happen. So that [clears throat] that's number one. Like actually schedule it and and Okay, now Dei's going to kill me for this one. De's going to kill me for this. >> I don't want to get in trouble with Yeah. Yeah. De's going to kill me for this one. Not only do you need to schedule it, you need to make you a priority. So here's
Dei's thing, right? And I don't know where Dee got it from, but she watched too much TV. So, so when we would go on a trip and we would be in the hotel, I wouldn't exercise male until she got up because Dee felt like I don't want to be in the room. >> Like, you're working out. You know, if there's people here with keys, anybody could come into the room. And so, for a long time, man, I wasn't working out. And Dee would get up, but
by the time she got up, it's like we're retired. So, we're doing worship together. We're going out to eat. We She's going shopping. I never got to it. was like, "Eric, your non-negotiables are Nadi's non-negotiables." For years, I would not get up and go work out because of her fears. They weren't even my fears. And it wasn't even true. So, number one, schedule it. Number two, non-negotiable. Once you make up in your mind you going to work out or do whatever you going to do, your
wife, your husband, your kids, you can't let somebody else's fear or somebody else's reality consume you to the point that you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. Number three, take it light. Don't do anything that's going to overwhelm you and make you stop and make you quit. Number four, tell somebody else you're doing it. Be held accountable. I don't know what it is, man. It might just be me and I feel uh silly saying it, but sometimes I would rather work out because I
told you than work out because I because I said I was gonna >> There's nothing silly about that at all. I will meet you at 5:30 in the morning because I promised you I would be at that class and I will not meet myself. >> I'm just I I don't know what it is, Mel, but there are times where I just won't meet myself. But if I tell you I'm going to do it and you say, "Hey, E, where's the and some Oh, man. It feels
so good when I do the hour, you know, uh, treadmill and I do the 30 minute wait and I do the sign and I send the whole thing and my boy CJ go eat. Let's go. I'm like, was it the workout? [laughter] Was it him saying go? That was you. You know, and so I think that's important, too, because you can let yourself down sometimes quicker than you can somebody else. >> You know what I think you should do is you should take this episode and
copy the link and text it to your best friend or to your sister or to your brother or someone >> and say, "I am so inspired to take on a 52day challenge. Let's do it together. Let's each pick something." And I want to share with you, Dr. Thomas, and with you as you're listening that the team that's producing this episode is listening to our conversation, and they're feeling so inspired. And here are things that they're going to be taking on for the next 52 days. State
of my home embarrasses me. [laughter] I need to organize it. I'm embarrassed uh that I don't work out. I'm going to take on a 52-day challenge to start working out again. I'm embarrassed by how much I complain. So, I'm going to take on a challenge around that. I'm embarrassed by my lack of knowledge. So, I'm going to take on a challenge around reading. Um, here's another one. I'm embarrassed by my posture, >> and so I'm going to take on a 52-day challenge to start stretching more.
Uh, I'm embarrassed by not knowing how to cook. >> Multiple people on our team are saying this, and so I am going to spend 52 days learning the skill of cooking. I'm embarrassed by the amount of debt I'm in. And so I'm gonna spend 52 days making and sticking to a plan. >> That's good. >> And so you can see that we there like you need to take that embarrassment part because I think there's a lot out there about hitting rock bottom, >> right? That it's
got to be really horrible in order for you to muster up the motivation intrinsically to say I'm so sick of myself that staying here is worse than actually doing the thing that I'm avoiding. But embarrassment is a way for you to access the truth that you're living in a way that's not aligned with your true values and who you truly know yourself and know your know you want to be >> for somebody that's really in it with us and is >> has has has admitted this
thing that's embarrassing. They're having their own personal reckoning. What what do you want them to know? This good news. >> I just want to say congratulations Like, no, for real. Congratulations. And I say congratulations because I deal with so many people every day who know that they're not their best self and they quit and they give up and they surrender. So, I just I I honestly want to say to you, congratulations. Like, I don't know if you know how big it is to say, I'm embarrassed
by this or that. Most people hide. Like, most people aren't transparent. And you'd be shocked that the actual secret to success is really transparency. It's really owning up to it and saying, "Yo, I'm I'm not happy." And guess what? People who hide, they they they're never discovered. They never discover. They never explore. They ne once you hide, that's it. But the person that says I got on the scale, y'all, that now I'mma be honest with you. That was the reason why I never lost. Now, I
know Mel would say, you know, you were big. I did, but I ain't know how big and I didn't want to know how. Okay, I didn't want to know how big I was. Why? Because I knew once I got on the scale, guess what was going to have to happen. I was going to have to do something about it. So, most of us are running from our scale. We're running from the real number, the real truth, right? And so, it's like, e, just get on the
scale. And I got on the scale and I said, whoa, you in the 24. Now I got to be honest. It was 242 like a week or two when I was like you got to get on the scale. So I think I kind of pulled back. I might have been bigger if I would have got on the scale and then that was in the morning too and like dry weight. That wasn't like in the middle of the day when I had you know something to eat.
So but when I saw the 242 guess what it was embarrassing it was the beginning of 219. It was the beginning of 219. Like cuz 215 did like you too small. I don't like you at 215. 219, 220. She like, I still feel I, you know, I got something to hold, right? And so I was like, e 219. But listen to me. The day you see 242 is the day 219 comes alive. It's the day it comes alive. The day you see your worst self is
the day your new self was peeking in saying, "I told you. I told you." And just I all I need you to do is just tag me in. And there and the 219 dude said, "Just tag me in. just turn on the treadmill. Just give me a shot at the treadmill. I just dare you to go in there and be by yourself and listen to your own thoughts, Eric. I dare you. And I did it for a week. And then my body was like, I dare
you to do it two weeks in a row. >> I dare you. Just give me a shot. And I'm telling you that 219, which is, you know, figuratively. I'm not I don't know. We're not talking about weight, but that person is daring you to tag them in. They're daring you to give them control. Give me the keys. I just told a group of kids in school. I was at a high school in uh Flushing, Michigan, which is right next door to Flint. And the kids was
like, "I hate my teachers. I hate the counselors. I hate school." I said, "Do me a favor. Take the keys. Then go make your own curriculum. Go study yourself. I dare you to take the keys. Go talk to your counselor. I dare you to go to college. Like, I dare you. If you don't like what your teacher's doing, you don't like the way the school is, take the keys and go start writing your own papers. Start doing your own research. Go meet with your teachers and
find out what books they read when they were in college. I dare you to take the keys. And so I'm daring somebody today to let the best version of you take over cuz the worst one has. >> And I'm telling you, don't wait another day. Start the 52 right now. I don't know if you're at optimal below. I don't know. But let's start right now. And for the next 52 days, let's just operate at optimal and let's give our best self a chance. And then I'll
see you January 1st. I I promise you if if you don't like it, call mail. If you don't like [laughter] it, call mail. You don't have my contact, but call mail. And uh yeah, that's that's how I feel about the 52-day transformation. >> You know, we're not going to end this. I'm going to have you send this. >> Okay. >> Send this. Meaning, send the person into the next version of themselves. Dr. Eric Thomas, what are your parting words? >> You owe you. You owe you
to do what? you owe you to look at the hand that you've been dealt and play it. And so study your hand. That's all I would tell you. Study it. And then when you study it and you learn it, play it to the best of your ability. So you owe you, nobody else owes you. If they help you, that would be great. But I promise you, if you help yourself and you get rid of that victim's mentality and you become a victor, I I guarantee you,
you two can be sitting next to whoever you want to sit next to. You can be on whatever podcast you want to be on, whatever stage you want to be on, whatever magazine you want to be on, whatever you want to do. I guarantee if you handle you, people will see how valuable you are and they'll start to bless you the way you blessed yourself. >> Well, Dr. Thomas, you are a blessing. >> Thank you. >> And this structure of 52 days. >> Yeah. >> And
the invitation to get embarrassed >> by uh where you're at. >> Get around the right person. >> You know what I'm saying? Like it do you do not have to have your whole life fall apart to change. You can just be honest about what you're embarrassed about and you [clears throat] can make a decision that you're going to spend the next 52 days doing something about it. >> Yes. That's how you roll. Dr. Thomas. So Dr. Thomas, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And
thank you. Thank you for making time and spending it with me and Dr. Thomas. Now stop listening and do something about it. You take the link, you send it to a friend, you create a 52-day plan just like I've done. You challenge yourself to make your life better, to feel better about yourself. And I promise you, just like Dr. Thomas did, January 1 rolls around or 52 days from now, you are going to be a different you because you're the one who made that change happen.
And in case no one else tells you as your friend, I'm going to tell you that I love you. I bet Dr. Thomas wants to say that, too. >> Absolutely. Love you. love you. Love you. And I pray that you will learn to love yourself. >> Oh, and this conversation, it is my hope that it helps you do that because you can create a better life. But learning how to love yourself, you better follow everything Dr. Thomas said because that's how you do it and you
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